The family resolved to expatriate from Indiana, but to where? I had established a list of potential places to move to a long time ago:
Thus, our choice was confined to the United States of America. Which is fine, there are many things about the States that I love: the landscapes, the history, the Constitution, the diversity, the landscapes. Yes, I mentioned landscapes twice, the United States encompasses quite a varied terrain and even managed to protect some of the spectacular locations in the world despite the nature of Americans. Of course, there is plenty to dislike: the history, the violence, the hate, the politics. Yes, history is on both lists; we've accomplished great things and great, terrible things.
One of our priorities in determining our relocation destination was that we wanted a buffer of moderate isolation. We are not talking Antarctica bunker level isolation, just that I would prefer if I cannot see my neighbors' domiciles or hear loud music reverberating from vehicles driven by angst-ridden adolescents. Basically, we want to hinder the ability of people to interfere with our lives. We have encountered neighbors (and family) pressuring us about our lack of religious convictions (or rather my conviction to lack religion), constant political solicitations, and let's not forget the endless stream of bible pushers.
My family tends to get a greater share of godbotherers than most others due to the fact that my wife was indoctrinated into the church of Latter Day Saints as a child. The mormons are a perpetual peturbation as they make their monthly pilgrimage to petition my wife to return to their pews. There doesn't seem to be an end to their pestering, and now we get mail from the snowbird wife of the local ward's bishop while she's in Florida. We've met a lack of enthusiasm from the local police about enforcing any kind of restraint (was actually told that it would be tough to restrain an entire organization 'that has good intentions').
We understand that while rural locations tend to be more conservative, there are also less people to be concerned about. The further one lives away from a population center, the less likely some missionary on a bicycle will be knocking at the door, or anyone for that matter. Besides, we enjoy nature and I look forward to serenity the wilderness affords.
Indiana's legalized discrimination bill thinly veiled under the guise of freedom was the last straw for our family. Watching people we know, even friends and family, scurry to the defense of the loathsome legislation was like watching an intrusion of cockroaches devour rotten garbage. It was despicable and revolting (and actually offensive to cockroaches everywhere). It's ludicrous to think that in America's current socio-political climate there is a "safe" place for progressive minds to live, but there has to be something better than the rusty bible belt. Even California, often lauded as a bastion of progressiveness, has Prop 8 and the murderous Sodomite Suppression Act.
We looked at historical legislation, recent legislation, as well as testimonies from people we know living in relatively uncongested areas, particularly the west coast (California, Oregon, & Washington) and some other states we have personally visited that we liked (Wyoming, Montana, & Idaho). Idaho and Wyoming were knocked out pretty fast by virtue of their backwards politics. Massive drought and the high cost of living crossed California off the list. Oregon was dropped from the list because we couldn't find anywhere we particularly liked and knew no one who lived there. That left Washington and Montana (my wife reminds of Hawaii, but that place is also too expensive).
This article offers an amazing summary of what we were looking for in terms of legislation. The perception of Montana is that of ultra conservative. Yet, they recently defeated their own RFRA bill (no courts or national shaming involved) and have a history of being socially liberal while holding a libertarian points of view. Montana gave women full suffrage 6 years before the ratification of the 19th Amendment and then elected the first woman to congress in four years before it was passed (it started by giving women the right to vote in school related elections back when it was a territory in 1887). It’s the 3rd state to recognize the right to die. And it tried to defy the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS (not directly related to civil rights, but in order to get representatives that will make the right decision, we need to get money out of politics).
We really loved Washington politics, but my wife is not a fan of the gloomy, rain-soaked reputation west of the Cascades, and much of the stuff east is either super-expensive islands of awesome or barren high-altitude wasteland (or at least that is the impression we get from the real estate pics and has been confirmed by our acquaintances there).
We sampled pricing on current offerings on real estate in areas we would be willing to relocate to, keeping in mind our desire to stay away from suburbia, Montana won out in availability of affordable homes (and gorgeous vistas!). We recently took a vacation to Montana and fell in love with Big Sky country. The many peaks of soaring granite calls out to my inner Muir, the mountains are calling and I must go.
There are jerks everywhere, but it feels like they are concentrated in the Bible Belt and much of the Midwest and any movement away from humidity and corn would likely yield an improvement. I have had it with this place and my sanity requires some place new. I have a hundred anecdotes of our personal dealings with fundamentalists that reside in Indiana (and about the same number from my time in the Marine Corps) and realize that utopia does not exist, but just maybe, we can find a place where the population density, and therefore the asshole density, is a lot less.
- Norway
- New Zealand
- Denmark
- Iceland
- Canada
Thus, our choice was confined to the United States of America. Which is fine, there are many things about the States that I love: the landscapes, the history, the Constitution, the diversity, the landscapes. Yes, I mentioned landscapes twice, the United States encompasses quite a varied terrain and even managed to protect some of the spectacular locations in the world despite the nature of Americans. Of course, there is plenty to dislike: the history, the violence, the hate, the politics. Yes, history is on both lists; we've accomplished great things and great, terrible things.
1st Priority: More Privacy
One of our priorities in determining our relocation destination was that we wanted a buffer of moderate isolation. We are not talking Antarctica bunker level isolation, just that I would prefer if I cannot see my neighbors' domiciles or hear loud music reverberating from vehicles driven by angst-ridden adolescents. Basically, we want to hinder the ability of people to interfere with our lives. We have encountered neighbors (and family) pressuring us about our lack of religious convictions (or rather my conviction to lack religion), constant political solicitations, and let's not forget the endless stream of bible pushers.
My family tends to get a greater share of godbotherers than most others due to the fact that my wife was indoctrinated into the church of Latter Day Saints as a child. The mormons are a perpetual peturbation as they make their monthly pilgrimage to petition my wife to return to their pews. There doesn't seem to be an end to their pestering, and now we get mail from the snowbird wife of the local ward's bishop while she's in Florida. We've met a lack of enthusiasm from the local police about enforcing any kind of restraint (was actually told that it would be tough to restrain an entire organization 'that has good intentions').
We understand that while rural locations tend to be more conservative, there are also less people to be concerned about. The further one lives away from a population center, the less likely some missionary on a bicycle will be knocking at the door, or anyone for that matter. Besides, we enjoy nature and I look forward to serenity the wilderness affords.
2nd Priority: Less Hate
Indiana's legalized discrimination bill thinly veiled under the guise of freedom was the last straw for our family. Watching people we know, even friends and family, scurry to the defense of the loathsome legislation was like watching an intrusion of cockroaches devour rotten garbage. It was despicable and revolting (and actually offensive to cockroaches everywhere). It's ludicrous to think that in America's current socio-political climate there is a "safe" place for progressive minds to live, but there has to be something better than the rusty bible belt. Even California, often lauded as a bastion of progressiveness, has Prop 8 and the murderous Sodomite Suppression Act.
We looked at historical legislation, recent legislation, as well as testimonies from people we know living in relatively uncongested areas, particularly the west coast (California, Oregon, & Washington) and some other states we have personally visited that we liked (Wyoming, Montana, & Idaho). Idaho and Wyoming were knocked out pretty fast by virtue of their backwards politics. Massive drought and the high cost of living crossed California off the list. Oregon was dropped from the list because we couldn't find anywhere we particularly liked and knew no one who lived there. That left Washington and Montana (my wife reminds of Hawaii, but that place is also too expensive).
This article offers an amazing summary of what we were looking for in terms of legislation. The perception of Montana is that of ultra conservative. Yet, they recently defeated their own RFRA bill (no courts or national shaming involved) and have a history of being socially liberal while holding a libertarian points of view. Montana gave women full suffrage 6 years before the ratification of the 19th Amendment and then elected the first woman to congress in four years before it was passed (it started by giving women the right to vote in school related elections back when it was a territory in 1887). It’s the 3rd state to recognize the right to die. And it tried to defy the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS (not directly related to civil rights, but in order to get representatives that will make the right decision, we need to get money out of politics).
3rd Priority: Affordable & Enjoyable Property
We really loved Washington politics, but my wife is not a fan of the gloomy, rain-soaked reputation west of the Cascades, and much of the stuff east is either super-expensive islands of awesome or barren high-altitude wasteland (or at least that is the impression we get from the real estate pics and has been confirmed by our acquaintances there).
We sampled pricing on current offerings on real estate in areas we would be willing to relocate to, keeping in mind our desire to stay away from suburbia, Montana won out in availability of affordable homes (and gorgeous vistas!). We recently took a vacation to Montana and fell in love with Big Sky country. The many peaks of soaring granite calls out to my inner Muir, the mountains are calling and I must go.
There are jerks everywhere, but it feels like they are concentrated in the Bible Belt and much of the Midwest and any movement away from humidity and corn would likely yield an improvement. I have had it with this place and my sanity requires some place new. I have a hundred anecdotes of our personal dealings with fundamentalists that reside in Indiana (and about the same number from my time in the Marine Corps) and realize that utopia does not exist, but just maybe, we can find a place where the population density, and therefore the asshole density, is a lot less.


You might want to ask your wife to reconsider the Canada bit. I have lots of family in the US, and I can tell you that the experience of growing up in Canada is basically the same as growing up in the states. Except of course, it's more isolated, less religious/intolerant and way less hateful. Oh, and we have universal healthcare. The interior of BC is very nice, albeit somewhat expensive.
ReplyDeleteIf your wife has any questions, feel free to fire em my way.
Jeremy,
ReplyDeleteAppreciate the feedback! I love BC and western Alberta (a trip to Banff is on my bucket list)!
We've discussed it at length, but I think my wife feels that there is enough burden with just moving a long distance without piling additional concerns such as immigration (or citizenship) applications on top. Also, we will be getting relocation assistance that makes staying stateside attractive...
Also, I think there is a mental issue with the 49th parallel... my wife is not a fan of the cold and I think she feels Montana is already an extreme compromise for her and any further north would mean longer winters and shorter daylight. She loved the area during the summer, but is worried that the winter will be awful... so I'm sworn to provide plenty of firewood!
But who knows, maybe in a few years we'll hop the border.